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    Angry Do you ride armed?

    Condolences to the family & friends of Lady Rider.

    Diverting slightly on this theme, what protection do you ride with? Do you ride with any protection?

    Illegal weapons are a huge problem in any country not just limited to SA.

    Does one fight fire with fire when there's fire?
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    This opinion is my own and is not necessarily supported by TB or TB Marshals

    Hi SS........

    This is merely an opinion as I do not own a firearm.

    I personally would not carry a firearm - at least not in and around the city for the following reasons:
    • I generally do not travel in areas where I am likely to need one (I hope);
    • It is difficult to conceal and yet still have reasonably rapid access;
    • I think the risk of being attacked to steal the forearm is quite high;
    • People in this day and age do not seem to "back off" if you wave a firearm - it becomes "use it or lose it" very quickly;
    • I would not want to face the consequences of shooting someone (given the law as it stands - which I believe to be weighted in favour of the "perpetrator" and not the "victim");


    On long distance country trips if I am on my own I might well "carry". It would depend on where, when, who I am with etc.

    Notwithstanding all of the above, there are plenty of "holes" in what I have laid out, and it will be interesting to see what other opinions are put forward.
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    I don't ride armed these days.

    Back in 1981, I came of bike with my pistol on my belt. Thankfully, right behind me was a police car and the cops saw where the pistol flew. While one helped me, the other fetched the pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMZ View Post
    I don't ride armed these days.

    Back in 1981, I came of bike with my pistol on my belt. Thankfully, right behind me was a police car and the cops saw where the pistol flew. While one helped me, the other fetched the pistol.
    Another good reason not to carry - never thought of that!
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    I would not carry, even though I do own a firearm. Even if you are at a psychological point where you can justify it to yourself that you would be willing to shoot at another human being, such situations are so fluid that you have a very small probability of getting a firearm drawn and discharged successfully. Also, if you happen to be in that one-out-of-a-hundred situations, what would it achieve really?

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    I don't have a gun, I've not even fired one.

    I get it in terms of self-defense, ultimately though, it requires a
    elevated sense of responsibility and awareness in any given
    situation should you be carrying. Are you prepared for that at all
    times under all circumstances?

    A couple of examples:
    -I don't agree with anyone drinking at all if they're carrying.
    (that's with or without a bike)
    -You should be able to account for your weapon at all times even
    when it's stored at home and with whoever has access. Can you do that
    in any event? What if you're in an unfortunate situation and need
    help?
    -Are you prepared to put yourself in harms way for the sake of
    someone else if you see a dangerous situation? I get that you're not
    required to, doesn't it change your stance on things like that
    somewhere in the back of your mind though? What about you? What about
    your safety? What about them? What do you do?

    Something random:

    Someone open carries (gun exposed on the hip). Hands full, clumsy
    full, busy and distracted. In shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt just
    to paint the picture. This isn't a hypothetical situation.

    Someone else could potentially reach for that gun. It's a busy place
    and now everyone is at risk with a firearm dangling out someone's
    shorts while they're struggling with all that stuff. Something that
    might be a good thing most times is now more of a problem than it's
    trying to solve.

    -Is that kind of thing responsible? The place had full security
    already. So, who leaves it in the glovebox? Is that okay?

    It's innocent enough, but lets think about it, the guy behind you
    could be on the verge of a meltdown and now there's this.
    Maybe that's a silly example. How aware are you of each situation
    though? People are people mate. Who knows what they're going through?

    I've never been armed, I have been in a position where my life has
    been threatened though. 3 guys robbed me while I was in my car, 2
    of them had a knife to my throat while the 3rd bossed me around. I
    had cuts all over the neck and shoulders just from how they were
    handling it. My work shirt was ripped somehow. I was stopped in
    traffic when they came at me through an open window (my bad right?).

    As usual, no one did anything in standstill peak afternoon traffic,
    it must have been a sight though surely. Anyway, they're not the bad
    guys here.

    I had no option to defend myself or to even descalate the situation,
    they were working themselves up, they were in charge, it could have
    gone either way at any time.

    I could be hopeful (calm, patient, careful) but helpless, anything
    else might have been "suicide" or maybe just as good as dead anyway.
    In the thick of it, who really knows where this will end up?

    I won't try and argue whether a gun would have helped. I don't know
    that and I'm okay today.

    My point is more that thinking I could be killed then and there (best
    case scenario sometimes with the horrors I've heard/read about at
    times right?) I'd rather at least have the option to defend myself at
    some point (which doesn't just mean shooting/shooting at/killing
    anyone) than be permanently and badly hurt or dead no matter what.

    I'm pretty sure with all the hindsight I have in looking back on it,
    just a gun going off in the vicinity before even being waved around
    would have been enough to deter them at the risk of being killed or
    put into ICU by jittery desperate thugs coming off a chronic ongoing
    however long still bad trip and everything that goes with that.

    It's a huge responsibility and I won't pretend there's a clear
    answer sizing these kinds of situations up in the moment. If I could
    have done anything, is it fair to just have to call myself lucky?
    Lucky it was just robbery, that's all?
    It could have been worse -I'm not so sure anyone actually deserves
    that anyway.

    This isn't anything too rough, it isn't gorey. That guy busted
    through someone's door with a panga and then got shot.

    Their conversation at 3:55:
    Intruder: "You killed me"
    Victim: "What!? You were gonna kill me!!"
    Intruder: "Yeah, you're right. I was."

    He was going to kill someone. He then got shot, but lived.
    Who knows how anyone else there might have ended up?

    I don't necessarily believe in this stuff, sometimes guns send a
    message to people that are hellbent on seeing things fail if it comes
    down to that.

    If the world was all sunshine and rainbows all the time (and I'm not
    against that either), I wouldn't be thinking about why people pack
    guns.
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    wow...so many misconceptions...urban legends and untruths


    • generally do not travel in areas where I am likely to need one (I hope)


    Is this not the same as saying one should only bother with ATGATT when one plans to crash?

    It is difficult to conceal and yet still have reasonably rapid access;

    Not true, in this day and age the variety or firearms and holsters make concealed carry and rapid access easy to achieve with a bit of training.

    I think the risk of being attacked to steal the forearm is quite high

    The risk of beingattacked for your cellphone and ending up dead is even higher. The risk of being attacked and being dead after your pillion is raped is just as high. The risk of being attacked for your bike and being dead is even higher.

    People in this day and age do not seem to "back off" if you wave a firearm - it becomes "use it or lose it" very quickly;

    Its not a magic wand to wave around, you draw it, you use it.

    I would not want to face the consequences of shooting someone (given the law as it stands - which I believe to be weighted in favour of the "perpetrator" and not the "victim");

    Urban myth perpetuated by the media. There are a huge number of justified self defense shootings that are not prosecuted or ever reported by the media.

    I would not carry, even though I do own a firearm. Even if you are at a psychological point where you can justify it to yourself that you would be willing to shoot at another human being, such situations are so fluid that you have a very small probability of getting a firearm drawn and discharged successfully. Also, if you happen to be in that one-out-of-a-hundred situations, what would it achieve really?

    Please sell your gun. Training increases probability of success. What would it achieve? Well maybe it would save your life? Maybe it would stop your wife or daughter being raped? Maybe it would stop someone else's wife or daughter being raped?

    Someone open carries (gun exposed on the hip). Hands full, clumsy
    full, busy and distracted. In shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt just
    to paint the picture. This isn't a hypothetical situation.


    The above is an illegal situation....open carry is not allowed under law.

    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    You chose whether or not to be a victim.

    And yes...I carry 24/7..even when on the loo....and yes...I have used it and it saved not only my life but others as well....and no..I did not end up in jail being butt ****ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post
    wow...so many misconceptions...urban legends and untruths


    • generally do not travel in areas where I am likely to need one (I hope)


    Is this not the same as saying one should only bother with ATGATT when one plans to crash?

    It is difficult to conceal and yet still have reasonably rapid access;

    Not true, in this day and age the variety or firearms and holsters make concealed carry and rapid access easy to achieve with a bit of training.

    I think the risk of being attacked to steal the forearm is quite high

    The risk of beingattacked for your cellphone and ending up dead is even higher. The risk of being attacked and being dead after your pillion is raped is just as high. The risk of being attacked for your bike and being dead is even higher.

    People in this day and age do not seem to "back off" if you wave a firearm - it becomes "use it or lose it" very quickly;

    Its not a magic wand to wave around, you draw it, you use it.

    I would not want to face the consequences of shooting someone (given the law as it stands - which I believe to be weighted in favour of the "perpetrator" and not the "victim");

    Urban myth perpetuated by the media. There are a huge number of justified self defense shootings that are not prosecuted or ever reported by the media.

    I would not carry, even though I do own a firearm. Even if you are at a psychological point where you can justify it to yourself that you would be willing to shoot at another human being, such situations are so fluid that you have a very small probability of getting a firearm drawn and discharged successfully. Also, if you happen to be in that one-out-of-a-hundred situations, what would it achieve really?

    Please sell your gun. Training increases probability of success. What would it achieve? Well maybe it would save your life? Maybe it would stop your wife or daughter being raped? Maybe it would stop someone else's wife or daughter being raped?

    Someone open carries (gun exposed on the hip). Hands full, clumsy
    full, busy and distracted. In shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt just
    to paint the picture. This isn't a hypothetical situation.


    The above is an illegal situation....open carry is not allowed under law.

    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    You chose whether or not to be a victim.

    And yes...I carry 24/7..even when on the loo....and yes...I have used it and it saved not only my life but others as well....and no..I did not end up in jail being butt ****ed
    That's what makes the world go round - lots of different people with lots of different ideas - to each his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post
    wow...so many misconceptions...urban legends and untruths


    • generally do not travel in areas where I am likely to need one (I hope)


    Is this not the same as saying one should only bother with ATGATT when one plans to crash?

    It is difficult to conceal and yet still have reasonably rapid access;

    Not true, in this day and age the variety or firearms and holsters make concealed carry and rapid access easy to achieve with a bit of training.

    I think the risk of being attacked to steal the forearm is quite high

    The risk of beingattacked for your cellphone and ending up dead is even higher. The risk of being attacked and being dead after your pillion is raped is just as high. The risk of being attacked for your bike and being dead is even higher.

    People in this day and age do not seem to "back off" if you wave a firearm - it becomes "use it or lose it" very quickly;

    Its not a magic wand to wave around, you draw it, you use it.

    I would not want to face the consequences of shooting someone (given the law as it stands - which I believe to be weighted in favour of the "perpetrator" and not the "victim");

    Urban myth perpetuated by the media. There are a huge number of justified self defense shootings that are not prosecuted or ever reported by the media.

    I would not carry, even though I do own a firearm. Even if you are at a psychological point where you can justify it to yourself that you would be willing to shoot at another human being, such situations are so fluid that you have a very small probability of getting a firearm drawn and discharged successfully. Also, if you happen to be in that one-out-of-a-hundred situations, what would it achieve really?

    Please sell your gun. Training increases probability of success. What would it achieve? Well maybe it would save your life? Maybe it would stop your wife or daughter being raped? Maybe it would stop someone else's wife or daughter being raped?

    Someone open carries (gun exposed on the hip). Hands full, clumsy
    full, busy and distracted. In shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt just
    to paint the picture. This isn't a hypothetical situation.


    The above is an illegal situation....open carry is not allowed under law.

    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    You chose whether or not to be a victim.

    And yes...I carry 24/7..even when on the loo....and yes...I have used it and it saved not only my life but others as well....and no..I did not end up in jail being butt ****ed
    Wow, I wish you had a better way of expressing yourself.

    If there are so many "misconceptions, urban legends and untruths" it
    would be nice if you addressed them with us being so sincere on the
    other hand.

    Some of your examples and comparisons are borderline fallacies
    though, they're not fair. A firearm has a lot more potential for
    someone that's criminally minded than a cellphone. The whole thing
    about risk there isn't fact, you're not making any way for a lack of
    absolutes on those terms. It's hard to accept what you say on that
    while being just so sure anyway.

    As far as open carry, I didn't know that, though it only furthers my
    point. If anyone should know about the laws regarding themselves and
    their weapon, it's the person carrying.
    I'm with you in principle, however whether it's illegal or not
    doesn't change the fact.

    It just isn't always that simple. I've had clients, companies,
    businesses and contracts that don't allow any weapons or any objects
    to serve as weapons onsite and I agree with that given the context.
    If I don't know you, why should I trust you with your weapon?
    -As you say, now I need one also just in case and sooner or later
    it's not practical.

    Where and how you carry is your choice, it just doesn't always make
    sense.

    Lastly, as far as me choosing to be a victim: This is about as much
    as I'll entertain that - thank you Mr. Nice Guy.

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    Wow, I wish you had a better way of expressing yourself.

    well I do my best.

    If there are so many "misconceptions, urban legends and untruths" it
    would be nice if you addressed them with us being so sincere on the
    other hand.


    I tried, but it's probably like trying to explain to a Harley rider that there is no such thing as a 'fast' Harley.

    Some of your examples and comparisons are borderline fallacies
    though, they're not fair. A firearm has a lot more potential for
    someone that's criminally minded than a cellphone. The whole thing
    about risk there isn't fact, you're not making any way for a lack of
    absolutes on those terms. It's hard to accept what you say on that
    while being just so sure anyway

    A legal competent firearm owner will conceal carry and 99% of the population won't even be aware of it. We walk amongst you unarmed people, we are in the bank, in the mall..everywhere. Because one or two idiots openly advertise they are carrying, does not make the whole lot of us idiots.
    Cellphones on the other hand are 'openly carried' everywhere, gripped in a sweaty paw like some life support device. Sit in a mall sometime and watch people, oblivious to their surroundings and fixating on their devices. So probability wise...…..
    What you are also saying is that people who have jumped through hoops and bent over backwards, sometimes waiting for years to get a gun license, should not actually have a gun because a criminal (who is committing an illegal act) wants the gun? Surely then we should not own cars, someone may steal the car and cars kill far more people every year than guns do, and spoons make people fat.

    As far as open carry, I didn't know that, though it only furthers my
    point. If anyone should know about the laws regarding themselves and
    their weapon, it's the person carrying.
    I'm with you in principle, however whether it's illegal or not
    doesn't change the fact.


    You can't paint everyone with the same brush. Because a minority act like idiots.....

    It just isn't always that simple. I've had clients, companies,
    businesses and contracts that don't allow any weapons or any objects
    to serve as weapons onsite and I agree with that given the context.

    Did you know that almost every mass shooting that has taken place globally has occurred in a 'gun free zone'. Think about it. The St James Massacre was stopped in its tracks by one old Oom and his .38 special.

    If I don't know you, why should I trust you with your weapon?

    Because believe it or not, firearm owners are one of the most law abiding segments of society. They have to be as they are subjected to extreme examination and the slightest infringement of any sort results in the loss of their firearms. It's not the legal gun owners who should worry you, its the illegal ones.-As you say, now I need one also just in case and sooner or later
    it's not practical.

    It is. There are thousands of incidents in South Africa every year where legal firearm owners overcame evil because they were armed.

    Where and how you carry is your choice, it just doesn't always make
    sense.

    Wearing ATGATT in 40 degrees doesn't either, but you never know when you will need it.

    Lastly, as far as me choosing to be a victim: This is about as much
    as I'll entertain that - thank you Mr. Nice Guy.

    It's an absolute pleasure.

    I assume you make use of armed response? I assume you dial 10111 when it hits the fan? Both of these entities carry firearms......the firearms are FOR THEIR PROTECTION, not yours. You are your own first responder. The reactive forces you rely on are not the tv swat team you may think they are. The private security guard and policeman are poorly equipped and undertrained. Your average SAPS member spends one day a year on a shooting range and have to hit an A4 size target 5 times from 10 meters to be declared competent. Your average private legal firearms owner spends at least one day a month on a range shooting hundreds of rounds in multiple disciplines.

    The SAPS lose 15 times more firearms to criminals than private firearm owners. The private owners who lose their guns are the type who have a gun locked in the safe permanently and either have it stolen in a break in, because it's locked in the safe and they can't respond, or because it's locked in the safe and they are away on holiday. This type of firearm owner should not own a gun.

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    I would like to hear what you have to say, it's not easy if you're
    going to be so brash.

    I didn't suggest no-one should have a gun, in fact my original post
    didn't even end that way. I don't know how that came up.

    It isn't always practical mate, you kinda left the context out of
    that one.

    Those clients and companies have full security, where they're armed
    and trained and it's their full time job to manage and monitor the
    safety and security of and on the premises. It's their primary
    concern where the rest of us have our own and others. We're also
    dealing with people and other stuff in situations that requires our
    full attention and not always in the best circumstances either even
    if it's because of the weather and/or something else.

    It's the demands of the job.

    Given I'm there to do my work just like so many others, should we all
    be carrying guns against our main concern? The answer is simple in
    that case, it's in the policy and they've addressed any concerns
    around that in theory and in practice and it's part of the conditions
    of our being there right as setup from the get go and upfront on
    entry.

    Fortunately, it's still anyone's choice whether they'll agree or
    commit to those terms or rather stay offsite or whatever the outcome
    is as a result.

    Again, if you're taking things out of context, it's hard for this to
    be a fruitful discussion. Your statement in response doesn't have
    anything to do with mine. I get there are incidents everywhere and
    that guns do more good than harm, I agree. I don't have any problem
    with that.

    If it wasn't clear enough, that last point was sarcasm. Blaming me
    despite all the things you don't know about that or those
    circumstances could seem a bit of an insult mate.

    In the end I came out just fine without the need for any of that and
    very thankfully.

    For whatever it's worth, I'm a new rider. I do wear all the gear all
    the time and it's fraught with discomfort in some cases. It's the
    side I fall on with all this and it's also why I'm here on ThinkBike
    to begin with. I like the conscientious approach one way or another.

    I get that it's a compromise and it's still also a choice. Some
    people straight up say something along the lines of, "Bikes are
    inherently dangerous so before doing all that I'll stay off it."
    It's the only way they'll live with it in full view of the risks and
    potential consequences that come with it.

    I do have my opinions, so I choose to wear my gear. There's a
    difference between someone being naive about this stuff and someone
    understanding all that while doing otherwise as a matter of choice
    given what the law allows. Same with your point on training and
    competence. It should be regulated and enforced to a suitable
    standard. I guess our social situation here doesn't make all this
    stuff quite that easy though.

    We also don't have to agree with everything for people to have a
    fair point.

    When it comes down it though, some of these things get addressed on a
    case by case basis leading up to, as part of or in court. It doesn't
    help to generalise and still try to stand on point citing a few
    instances to try and set a whole precedent.

    That being said though, you seem like a really vigilant, good guy.

    I don't expect many people to be like that, fortunately we don't
    prescribe and dish out guns here for me to really worry about it. I
    might question this stuff, but I don't worry about it.

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    I would like to hear what you have to say, it's not easy if you're
    going to be so brash.

    It's just how I am.....ask AMZ



    Those clients and companies have full security, where they're armed
    and trained and it's their full time job to manage and monitor the
    safety and security of and on the premises.

    I prefer to take responsibility for my own safety, rather than place it in the hands of someone who is paid minimum wage and equipped in the cheapest possible fashion.
    No disrespect to security guards, but I would never expect any one of them to put their lives on the line for me.


    For whatever it's worth, I'm a new rider. I do wear all the gear all
    the time and it's fraught with discomfort in some cases. It's the
    side I fall on with all this and it's also why I'm here on ThinkBike
    to begin with. I like the conscientious approach one way or another.


    I'm an old rider (not as old as AMZ) with a complete disregard for speed limits.

    I get that it's a compromise and it's still also a choice. Some
    people straight up say something along the lines of, "Bikes are
    inherently dangerous so before doing all that I'll stay off it."
    It's the only way they'll live with it in full view of the risks and
    potential consequences that come with it.

    Life is inherently dangerous …. I wear ATGATT and I carry a gun to even the odds.

    Same with your point on training and
    competence. It should be regulated and enforced to a suitable
    standard. I guess our social situation here doesn't make all this
    stuff quite that easy though.

    There is a ridiculous amount of regulation and enforcement. Sadly it is enforced only on the civilian population, the government sanctioned gun carriers live by different rules. A huge section of the police who carry guns do not pass their annual competency tests.

    Right now the private ownership of guns is slowly being regulated out of existence, with more and more onerous demands on law abiding citizens. I fear the day that this becomes a reality, but that is a political discussion and not allowed here, otherwise the muddy waiters will swoop in and disarm us.


    Obviously it is a topic I feel very strongly about. I apologize if I caused offence.

    PS. AMZ's example of his crash and his musket being separated from him is silly......nowdays we have fancy holsters and stuff and don't have to shove the guns in the waste band of our tracksuit pants

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    To be fair, I don't expect that either and it's not always their
    fault.

    With the mentality of the criminal elements here, it is more that the
    security is acting as a deterrent or a lookout rather, similar to car
    guards in many situations to be realistic about that.

    It's a terrible situation with all this here and it still not being
    enough on its own.

    No offence taken, it can be a bitter pill to swallow even all this
    time later.

    I really didn't want to back down during that situation and these
    guys didn't look like they had much to lose. It can be a bit
    humiliating where they are so brazen and casual.

    I've definitely got a fresh perspective on this stuff, thanks for
    that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post
    PS. AMZ's example of his crash and his musket being separated from him is silly......nowdays we have fancy holsters and stuff and don't have to shove the guns in the waste band of our tracksuit pants
    "This is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for killing and one is for fun". Interesting that you carry your gun in a holster, or is that some fancy brand name underpants? Anyway, heck, you stay away for a year, then come back and talk more k@k in a day than all of us together in that year. --->insert loud applause here<----

    Why are you so scares? Ah yes! You got rid of that thing and got a real bike. I remember now. You can stop riding with the weapon dude, you can now actually, reliably, ride away from the criminals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post
    I would like to hear what you have to say, it's not easy if you're
    going to be so brash.

    It's just how I am.....ask AMZ
    He likes to come across all brash and manly, but he really is a cuddly teddy bear. How many serious bikers do you know that have cats. Lots of cats? He's just a softy that way.
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    "This is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for killing and one is for fun".

    Those were the days hey....you probably had to carry black powder?

    This is my new rifle...bet you would not be able to find the 'on' button

    ru18004_2000x.jpg

    Anyway, heck, you stay away for a year, then come back and talk more k@k in a day than all of us together in that year. --->insert loud applause here<----


    admit it...you miss me

    Why are you so scares? Ah yes! You got rid of that thing and got a real bike. I remember now. You can stop riding with the weapon dude, you can now actually, reliably, ride away from the criminals.

    it's for when one gets off the bike Oom did you not see I got another new bike as well. Upgraded the S1000R to the Gen2 version (much better) and got a K1300S too.

    He likes to come across all brash and manly, but he really is a cuddly teddy bear. How may serious bikers do you know that have cats. Lots of cats? He's just a softy that way.


    you know me so well

    You still riding that ugly bike? How's the Tannie? Still got all your teeth?

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    Of course I miss you! Heck, you are one of the few I couldn't get to cry (a lot) and yes, I saw the BMW-glut that got hold of you. Man alive, I love those K1300's. I so wish the K1300GT was still available on the market.

    Strange toy you have there. My grandson have a water pistol that contains less plastic. What do you shoot with that? Flys? Mosquitos?

    The tannie sends her regards and is enquiring about your definition of ugly bike? She want to know if my GS is ugly, if hers, by implication is also ugly? Before you answer, she knows where you live.

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    To answer the original question.

    Yes, carry on all long trips and out of town journeys (on bike and other vehicles). Then depends on location and route.

    Do not carry when marshalling (she gets a rest on those days).
    All my posts are my opinion and not those of TB or any other sane human

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMZ View Post
    Of course I miss you! Heck, you are one of the few I couldn't get to cry (a lot) and yes, I saw the BMW-glut that got hold of you. Man alive, I love those K1300's. I so wish the K1300GT was still available on the market.

    Strange toy you have there. My grandson have a water pistol that contains less plastic. What do you shoot with that? Flys? Mosquitos?

    The tannie sends her regards and is enquiring about your definition of ugly bike? She want to know if my GS is ugly, if hers, by implication is also ugly? Before you answer, she knows where you live.
    The K1300S is nice, especially for long trips, but it's a bit tame compared to the S1000R. Nice top end though, once you get there.

    Tell the Tannie her bike is beautiful because she is on it....yours on the other hand

    It's a .308 Ruger precision rifle that can shoot a mosquito off your nose at 1.8km

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Rage View Post

    Tell the Tannie her bike is beautiful because she is on it....yours on the other hand
    Oooh! Smooth! Very, very smooth.

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    Here's an option for those who don't want to carry live ammo....
    https://www.securityhyperstore.co.za/piexon-jpx-2

    In no way do I endorse, or benefit from sharing the info on these products. Just thought it useful for the discussion.

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