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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrenpridgeon View Post
    I've never been to Zwartkops. I'd like to go sometime. Don't think I'll make it the 25th though.
    it is r500 for the day but the track is very very good. baie nice. A B C & D with about 30 bikes in each group ... big day

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    Quote Originally Posted by EkkeHannes View Post
    Cool, I wonder if i will get that with my SV, everyone says it is ****ty on for the track.
    That's strange, it's my impression that the SV650 is a favourite track bike with many people. You may be slower on the straight but you'll be quicker in the corners than a litre bike. My view is: anybody can go fast in a straight line, but it takes skill to corner quickly.
    I normally tap of at 180 on that straight and try to set myself up correctly for the corner.
    Riding a straight and smooth road does not make a skillful rider.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SandyN View Post
    That's strange, it's my impression that the SV650 is a favourite track bike with many people. You may be slower on the straight but you'll be quicker in the corners than a litre bike. My view is: anybody can go fast in a straight line, but it takes skill to corner quickly.
    I normally tap of at 180 on that straight and try to set myself up correctly for the corner.
    You are quite right and that is about the same speed I get out on the straight but I dont like to ride my bike to the max.
    The thing with the SV is the suspension, front and back. I had my shock opened up and cleaned with thicker oil, 20, I also bought a secondhand race front tyre. The bike is now very stable in the corners, no stearing damper yet, but now I am the problem. So the SV can still go for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EkkeHannes View Post
    You are quite right and that is about the same speed I get out on the straight but I dont like to ride my bike to the max.
    The thing with the SV is the suspension, front and back. I had my shock opened up and cleaned with thicker oil, 20, I also bought a secondhand race front tyre. The bike is now very stable in the corners, no stearing damper yet, but now I am the problem. So the SV can still go for a while.
    The common thing that I've heard is "now I need a 1000 to get faster"... I'm 100% of the belief that you should extract the absolute maximum out of the bike you have before you consider moving up.
    The other guys I go to the track with say "now that you are riding better when are you going to get a decent bike?"... So I just tell them... I don't need a "decent" (read 1000) bike. I'm going to be a better rider than you on your 1000 when I'm still on my 600 class bike.

    I believe you actually become a better bike if you have to work harder at it. Like us peeps on our 600 class bikes have to work harder to overtake those breakfast run guys on their 1000s when they haul donkey down the straight and then crawl through the corner. We have to think waaaaaay more and come up with clever passing manouveres... Where if we had bigger bikes we would be using the bikes power and not growing out passing skills like we have to now.

    A bigger bike comes with a whole bunch of mental factors also... the "ooooh flip sooo much power can't focus on anything else" thing where you brain just gets overloaded and you end up going even slower...

    You don't need to ride the SV to the limit... you'll only really find yourself close to the limit of its power down the back straight anyways... Keep rocking it!
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    Reminds me of the last time I was at Midvaal. Children on 200cc 2 stokes (I guess, never asked), were giving me a run for my money. Only place I could ever catch up was the straight. I am embarrassed to say they lapped me after a while. But in my defense I am a class D rider

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    Looking good there Warren. Not too much with that body position

    Personally I also feel the SV is under-suspended once you start doing reasonable laptimes. Does it have any preload adjustment on the rear? They had a SV650 cup in the late 2000's and a few of our current young supersport / superbike riders competed there.

    As regards the "need a 1000" story I tend to disagree. My best mate had a GSXR750 and I could rarely get past him on my GSXR1000. We were both about the same weight (i.e. fat) so it came down to rider skill. I could sneak up a little on the back straight at Phakisa (nicely tucked in to the left so he couldn't see me) but through the corners the lighter weight was as good as the greater HP of the 1000.

    Doesn't mean you need a specialised track bike for a track day. My little 600 Fazer will be back on track on the 25th at Zwartkops. Haven't ridden track in ages and need a ride again to clean the cobwebs out of the mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    Looking good there Warren. Not too much with that body position
    At this point I can't really lean forward to get lower because my helmet blocks my vision if I go any lower. My helmet stops on my traps/upper back preventing me from tilting it further back.
    I'm slowly looking around for a more aggressively cut helmet.

    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    Personally I also feel the SV is under-suspended once you start doing reasonable laptimes. Does it have any preload adjustment on the rear? They had a SV650 cup in the late 2000's and a few of our current young supersport / superbike riders competed there.
    The only adjustment I can remember on the SV rear is the two nuts that adjust the spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    As regards the "need a 1000" story I tend to disagree. My best mate had a GSXR750 and I could rarely get past him on my GSXR1000. We were both about the same weight (i.e. fat) so it came down to rider skill. I could sneak up a little on the back straight at Phakisa (nicely tucked in to the left so he couldn't see me) but through the corners the lighter weight was as good as the greater HP of the 1000.
    I *think* you agree with me? I've spoken to a couple of instructors... one in particular who happens to have only one leg. He says whenever a guy comes and says "I need a 1000 to get faster" he says "give me your bike...I can only use one gear because my bikes get changed to right side shift". He then proceeds to go faster than them by a decent amount (using one gear). He hands the bike back and says "It's not the bike". LOL.

    Also...I get a kick out of passing guys on bigger bikes. HEHEHE.

    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    Doesn't mean you need a specialised track bike for a track day. My little 600 Fazer will be back on track on the 25th at Zwartkops. Haven't ridden track in ages and need a ride again to clean the cobwebs out of the mind
    Nope... you can track just about anything...I saw guys on Boulevards at Midvaal...I wouldn't do it often though. lol. My bike is going track only since my wife and family tend to agree there are no taxis and pedestrians on the track. lol.
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    Haha on the "passing the bigge bikes". I am also riding in the D group or C at Midvaal as it was my second ever day on a track. I like it when everyone looks at my purple SV and just looks amazed but also confused. Passing some 1000's twice to three times on the track. I did a few checks and it seem that my 180km/h on the straight against a 205km/h on the straight is about 3 seconds loss. Which at this point can easily made up by better body position as well as corner entry with choosing the right gear when going in the corner as well as acceleration when exiting a corner. Actually I just need to learn how to ride on a track ...

    Back shock still have 3 "clicks" to make it stiffer but front shocks are as good as it can get, maby stiffer springs is all that can still be done. And then a semi slick at the back ... done ... need the skill to ride it closer to what it can do.

    Thanks guys.

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    EK go and check out the 'Team Old Dog Racing #69' on facebook. Tells the story of a certain Yamaha 600 Fazer with stock suspension that ran two 24 hour endurance races..

    Who needs fancy suspension?
    Dunslop lover....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    EK go and check out the 'Team Old Dog Racing #69' on facebook. Tells the story of a certain Yamaha 600 Fazer with stock suspension that ran two 24 hour endurance races..

    Who needs fancy suspension?
    Hahaha .. me, with my current skill. I am very happy with my sv, only top end that leaves me behind on breakfast runs.

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    'Team Old Dog Racing #89'
    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    EK go and check out the 'Team Old Dog Racing #69' on facebook. Tells the story of a certain Yamaha 600 Fazer with stock suspension that ran two 24 hour endurance races..

    Who needs fancy suspension?
    Two wheels not for the faint hearted in Jozi! ​

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    'Team Old Dog Racing #89'
    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    EK go and check out the 'Team Old Dog Racing #69' on facebook. Tells the story of a certain Yamaha 600 Fazer with stock suspension that ran two 24 hour endurance races..

    Who needs fancy suspension?
    Two wheels not for the faint hearted in Jozi! ​

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    ha ha yes #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave31 View Post
    ha ha yes #89
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    ha ha ... old and absent minded
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