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    Default NATIS to SCRAP all DRZ 400's ........

    Morning guys.


    I need some help/advice please.


    I have sold a DRZ 400 a while back. The bike was roadworthy and licence paid up to end of the year.


    The new owner transferred the bike to his name, bike passed roadworthy, but now they say that there is
    an error on "the system" for ALL Suzuki DRZ 400's.


    According to head office by default all DRZ 400's will be de-registered as road-bikes
    within the next year. There is nothing that can be done about the problem.


    Is there anyone out there that have the same problem with a DRZ 400?


    Greetings


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    No, rubbish... all vehicles stay on the system forever if it was in the past on the system, and even de-registered afterwards. The vehicle register number never change. Even it it changes ownership. It will remain on the system even if there are issues with short (old) vin numbers and whatever issues with numbers. The bike will go on the new owners name with or without roadworthy or registration. If the license was paid up, it's just easier, but the new owner must go through the issues of getting "whatever" fixed to new registration requirements.

    With examples it's easier to understand. There was at a stage a SUV on the market but the rear lights (either side of the rear window) wasn't excepted and the manufacturers placed like smaller trailer type lights in the rear bumper and disconnected the factory fit lights.

    On old vehicles they had short vin numbers. On the new system that vin no would show up on four different vehicles. One must go through the process of getting the 14 digit vin number. The same with matching engine numbers. It's a process to financial cost of the new owner in your case... I have the same problem and in time it will get sorted out but the bike is on my name now. Whatever the circumstances a vehicle never go off the system, even if it was copped up for scrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Steyn View Post
    Morning guys.


    I need some help/advice please.


    I have sold a DRZ 400 a while back. The bike was roadworthy and licence paid up to end of the year.


    The new owner transferred the bike to his name, bike passed roadworthy, but now they say that there is
    an error on "the system" for ALL Suzuki DRZ 400's.


    According to head office by default all DRZ 400's will be de-registered as road-bikes
    within the next year. There is nothing that can be done about the problem.


    Is there anyone out there that have the same problem with a DRZ 400?


    Greetings


    Gunter
    I cannot see how a vehicle that is roadworthy can be deregistered for off-road use only. I can however see them doing it when it changes ownership, or any new ones coming into SA, but not an existing, properly licensed and roadworthy vehicle. Then again we have seen some silly moves by government in the past.

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    I asked around, the consensus seems to be a misunderstanding of a already broken and misunderstood problem and explanation of something completely different.

    The DRZ, must like the KLR,is not/no longer homologated for our market and so new ones cannot be brought in nor registered, but existing bikes on the system can still be licenced and transferred etc.

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    If Douglas has the right reason for the confusion, it just means that from 1 December 2013 onwards, a DRZ that had not been "introduced" on eNatis yet cannot be added anymore.

    Same goes for, among others, the KLR650. And the last of the KLRs were sold way after 1 December 2013, but they were introduced on eNatis the moment they cleared customs.

    So calm down, no reason to stress. Be very careful of what "they say".
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    Quote Originally Posted by theRéhann View Post
    If Douglas has the right reason for the confusion, it just means that from 1 December 2013 onwards, a DRZ that had not been "introduced" on eNatis yet cannot be added anymore.

    Same goes for, among others, the KLR650. And the last of the KLRs were sold way after 1 December 2013, but they were introduced on eNatis the moment they cleared customs.

    So calm down, no reason to stress. Be very careful of what "they say".

    Why can they not be added anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biker mom's son View Post
    Why can they not be added anymore?
    In this reply I may be using incorrect terminology, theRehann can correct me.

    Since 1 December only vehicles on an approved list may be added to the eNatis system,
    and to be on that list the introducer has to supply test results (SABS or from International equivalent) to prove it is safe and complies with regulations.

    The official importers will go through the hoops for vehicles that they bring in by using the test results that they get from the manufacturer, But not for other models from the same manufacturer.
    However grey importers would have to pay for their own tests to get on to the approved list, which is very expensive, so now they can only import models available in SA. Other models can' t be registered for road use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterv View Post
    In this reply I may be using incorrect terminology, theRehann can correct me.

    Since 1 December only vehicles on an approved list may be added to the eNatis system,
    and to be on that list the introducer has to supply test results (SABS or from International equivalent) to prove it is safe and complies with regulations.

    The official importers will go through the hoops for vehicles that they bring in by using the test results that they get from the manufacturer, But not for other models from the same manufacturer.
    However grey importers would have to pay for their own tests to get on to the approved list, which is very expensive, so now they can only import models available in SA. Other models can' t be registered for road use.
    Oh yes I remember, they are doing the same with cars if i am correct. This has been coming for a quite a while. I think it's a bit stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biker mom's son View Post
    Oh yes I remember, they are doing the same with cars if i am correct. This has been coming for a quite a while. I think it's a bit stupid.
    As far as I understand it is any powered vehicle on eNatis. I don't know about trailers though as there is a massive market in specialised custom trailers. (I myself own an horse trailer that is non standard size) and that market would die if the tests would push the price up dramatically (Or I bought it in time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterv View Post
    As far as I understand it is any powered vehicle on eNatis. I don't know about trailers though as there is a massive market in specialised custom trailers. (I myself own an horse trailer that is non standard size) and that market would die if the tests would push the price up dramatically (Or I bought it in time).

    Trailers are on E-Natis as well. If not, you cannot register and license. It will however only be on E-Natis if it was build by a SABS approved and registered trailer builder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMZ View Post
    Trailers are on E-Natis as well. If not, you cannot register and license. It will however only be on E-Natis if it was build by a SABS approved and registered trailer builder.
    This is correct but a home build trailer can finally get on the road. The processes are complicated and finally it needs a certificate from the National Regulator for Compulsory Specification and also some engineering structural report... These are fairly new "laws" also applicable to modified vehicles. One could direct any inquiry to the NRCS. These guys is up to date towards the routes one must take. I know this because I did deal with them on the Fiat truck that was initially a flatbed truck converted to a truck tractor and the truck trailer was a modified home build.
    The truck and trailer in this video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W83DgeI0FRc
    My advice on trailers is just contact the NRCS and if your'e in Cape Town, Railway road Montague Gardens.

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    Sorry about the late reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Biker mom's son View Post
    Why can they not be added anymore?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peterv View Post
    In this reply I may be using incorrect terminology, theRehann can correct me.

    Since 1 December only vehicles on an approved list may be added to the eNatis system,
    and to be on that list the introducer has to supply test results (SABS or from International equivalent) to prove it is safe and complies with regulations.

    The official importers will go through the hoops for vehicles that they bring in by using the test results that they get from the manufacturer, But not for other models from the same manufacturer.
    However grey importers would have to pay for their own tests to get on to the approved list, which is very expensive, so now they can only import models available in SA. Other models can' t be registered for road use.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biker mom's son View Post
    Oh yes I remember, they are doing the same with cars if i am correct. This has been coming for a quite a while. I think it's a bit stupid.

    Peterv is referring to the new-ish compulsory specifications that apply to Category-L motor vehicles (motorcycles, motortricycles and motorquadrocycles). The gazetting of these compulsory specifications was a 10-year process that was finally done on 1 December 2011. From that date onwards, all Category-L motor vehicles have to comply with European standards before they can be imported and sold in South Africa. Current homologations could continue until 30 November 2013, after which these vehicles have to be rehomologated.

    Bikes like the KLR aren’t sold in Europe and have therefore not undergone the necessary testing for certification and cannot be imported here anymore.

    @BMS, this is not a stupid thing at all. The car industry has had compulsory specs for many, many years and the SABS/NRCS felt the two industries have to be the same as far as that is concerned. There are various reasons why this is a good thing, you can choose one:

    • bikes will now comply with stricter emissions levels
    • bikes will now comply with stricter noise levels
    • bikes will now comply with stricter safety levels
    • etc


    On the flipside, it did remove some cheaper (older) bikes from our market, but it also made it possible for the NRCS to better police issues around the CPA – specifically recall campaigns.

    And by the same token, that closed the door for grey importers to register bikes. In the past they would register the bike by introducing it on eNatis as a used bike – but the new system should prevent that.

    To introduce a bike on eNatis, it must already have been homologated (approved by the NRCS for import and sale in SA) and a model number would have to have been created on eNatis for it. But the actual homologation really is a mission, because you have to supply all the lab test results to show that the bike and all of its relevant parts comply – even to the level of brake light lenses… And no factory will supply those reports to anyone other than its authorised importer. That means that it should be impossible for a grey importer to register a bike now.

    Anyways, back to the point of the DRz. “Introducing” a bike on the eNatis system is like the bike’s birth on the register of vehicles. The moment the vehicle lands in the country (if it is a vehicle that will have to be registered i.t.o. the NRTA, unlike offroads, quads, SVS and large earthmoving equipment), it must be introduced on eNatis. In practice, that happens once the bike passed through customs and reached its warehouse. After checking the crate and the paperwork, the bike’s VIN no is loaded onto eNatis, with a proper eNatis model number.

    “Releasing” a bike on eNatis happens when the bike is registered – in other words, gets its numberplate. That also happens if a bike is put into a demo fleet. Another change that came about in 2012, is that you cannot release the bike if a new datafield has not been completed: the microdot PIN.

    Therefore, I reckon it is highly unlikely that any of the now “defunct” bikes – such as the KLR, DRz and others – will not be properly introduced and released on the system. Because, even if the DRz was imported in 2011 and is only registered (released) now, it would work, because it would have been introduced way back when.

    Hope that’s confusing enough.



    Quote Originally Posted by Peterv View Post
    As far as I understand it is any powered vehicle on eNatis. I don't know about trailers though as there is a massive market in specialised custom trailers. (I myself own an horse trailer that is non standard size) and that market would die if the tests would push the price up dramatically (Or I bought it in time).
    All vehicles that need a numberplate are on eNatis.

    The following vehicles have to be homologated:

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    The last paragraph is dated and relates to Category-L vehicles.


    Quote Originally Posted by AMZ View Post
    Trailers are on E-Natis as well. If not, you cannot register and license. It will however only be on E-Natis if it was build by a SABS approved and registered trailer builder.
    You have to be registered with the NRCS (formerly with the SABS) as an MBI (Manufacturer, Importer or Builder). That also authorises you to issue a VIN number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theRéhann View Post
    You have to be registered with the NRCS (formerly with the SABS) as an MBI (Manufacturer, Importer or Builder). That also authorises you to issue a VIN number.
    Ja. Something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memi View Post
    If you went a a Nandos quarter chicken and coke you would have no hassles....that is the current state. Taking people for a$$holes
    Uhm... what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Memi View Post
    If you went a a Nandos quarter chicken and coke you would have no hassles....that is the current state. Taking people for a$$holes
    the heck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memi View Post
    If you went a a Nandos quarter chicken and coke you would have no hassles....that is the current state. Taking people for a$$holes

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    Judging from this thread's twin and another similar thread on Wilddogs, this seems to be a completely legitimate problem. As I understand it, some DRZ's were imported as off-road bikes and were then made roadworthy and re-registered by the dealers before being sold. Somehow, probably during the migration to a fully electronic system, these bikes were recorded on NATIS as off-road bikes (as they were originally imported as such) and are thus now incapable of being licensed even after being licensed for years. Someone on wilddogs had to escalate the problem to the NRCS before the license disc could be issued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acajou View Post
    Judging from this thread's twin and another similar thread on Wilddogs, this seems to be a completely legitimate problem. As I understand it, some DRZ's were imported as off-road bikes and were then made roadworthy and re-registered by the dealers before being sold. Somehow, probably during the migration to a fully electronic system, these bikes were recorded on NATIS as off-road bikes (as they were originally imported as such) and are thus now incapable of being licensed even after being licensed for years. Someone on wilddogs had to escalate the problem to the NRCS before the license disc could be issued.
    Hi guys. Newb here, sorry for digging up an ancient thread but I'm desperate. Bought a DRZ400 2nd hand some time back (late '18 / early '19) with a current 'off-road' licence under the impression that I could reclassify same to on road. Never got riding but attempts to reclassify on eNatis were futile. Not even Suzuki SA were prepared to assist. How could I establish whether this is final? I've since allowed the licence to lapse as the bike is quite useless to me for Dual-Sport and cross border forrays.

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