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    Quote Originally Posted by McSack View Post
    ... or will be expecting SANRAL to "prove" that they used the road before they are willing to pay. I'm going with the 2nd option myself even if it means I have to pay more
    That is where I'm going too. If the tolling goes ahead, I will expect proof of every debit they expect me to pay.

    Unfortunately for SANRAL, they don't get a complete set of new laws - "he who alleges, must substantiate".

    So, if you allege I passed underneath your gantry, prove it. Send pics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by McSack View Post
    I really think there is going to be a collection of fees struggle if SANRAL is not able to bully enough people into eTagging themselves.
    Personally, I've been involved with as many of the protests as possible and many of the people I have spoken are either planning to just not pay at all , or will be expecting SANRAL to "prove" that they used the road before they are willing to pay. I'm going with the 2nd option myself even if it means I have to pay more
    I would suggest again, as I have in the past, that you run this via some oke who understands the legal implications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theRéhann View Post

    So, if you allege I passed underneath your gantry, prove it. Send pics!
    Réhann, that is the easiest thing for them. They will have pictures from the front, the back, the sides and the top. They can even identify your vehicle by comparing photo's for little scratch marks or chips in the paint. They spent millions of rand on this equipment and it is very clever stuff. Maybe you should rethink this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EsioTrot View Post
    Réhann, that is the easiest thing for them. They will have pictures from the front, the back, the sides and the top. They can even identify your vehicle by comparing photo's for little scratch marks or chips in the paint. They spent millions of rand on this equipment and it is very clever stuff. Maybe you should rethink this one.
    That would be the easiest thing for them if it's the odd occasional car or bike, not when only a fraction of the users are tagged. To get all those statements out will be a logistical nightmare which the system would not be able to handle. Hell, I can't even get my electricity bill on time (most month I get my final warning before the statement arrives, if it arrives). If nobody registers this system will not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EsioTrot View Post
    Réhann, that is the easiest thing for them. They will have pictures from the front, the back, the sides and the top. They can even identify your vehicle by comparing photo's for little scratch marks or chips in the paint. They spent millions of rand on this equipment and it is very clever stuff. Maybe you should rethink this one.
    I know they have the technology. But when I inquired, they said they won't provide the proof - only if you are an e-Tag customer. And that is bullsh!t.

    If you drive there, you will pay. That is a fact. You can drive without a number plate, the cameras can read the car's VIN number off the licence disk or underneath the windscreen.

    But I will not register for an e-Tag and I do not trust them either, so when they bill me, they will have to prove I was there.

    That is my issue here. Not that they might not be able to prove it, but that they're not planning on substantiating their claim for fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theRéhann View Post
    I know they have the technology. But when I inquired, they said they won't provide the proof - only if you are an e-Tag customer. And that is bullsh!t.

    If you drive there, you will pay. That is a fact. You can drive without a number plate, the cameras can read the car's VIN number off the licence disk or underneath the windscreen.

    But I will not register for an e-Tag and I do not trust them either, so when they bill me, they will have to prove I was there.

    That is my issue here. Not that they might not be able to prove it, but that they're not planning on substantiating their claim for fees.
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    Bruden of proof is on them
    However as stated it may cost more in end to get them to prove it

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    None of above comments against non Honda motor cycles is to be taken as serious
    I’m sure there is one or two other makes on the road that has a decent bike out there
    (Hell there might even be a good BMW out there somewhere)

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    General question. How many people in your circle of friends and colleagues are actually going to pay of not pay? Most people are all talk but some already have their ETags 😳 I am just trying to get a general idea on the hard liners who are actually going to stand up and protest and not pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy&Sandy View Post
    General question. How many people in your circle of friends and colleagues are actually going to pay of not pay? Most people are all talk but some already have their ETags  I am just trying to get a general idea on the hard liners who are actually going to stand up and protest and not pay.
    I dont do tolls - wont register, wont pay either - simple as that. If everyone refused to register, can you imagine the chaos - I dont know anyone who has - and I certainly wont.

    Next e-Tolls protest ride Saturday 15 June - same start venue - want to make it bigger - so bring your scoot - this one is going to be a slow ride - last time we had the support of the cagers while we were riding - it actually had a lot of positive spin offs with the cagers and bikers. See you there
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    Quote Originally Posted by theRéhann View Post
    the cameras can read the car's VIN number off the license disk or underneath the windscreen
    They cannot. FACT. Just verified it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buelligan View Post
    They cannot. FACT. Just verified it
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    Another reason to ride my bike 👍👍 disk not on windscreen 😀😀 registered all my vehicles in Cape Town so will wait for the invoices and statements 😁😁
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    Toadie registered in J Bay - good luck to them
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    Thanks the replies guys, if we don't register or pay it will be chaos 😀😀 that's if we stand together
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    Rather give my license fees to a province who will actually do something positive with it 👍
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy&Sandy View Post
    Thanks the replies guys, if we don't register or pay it will be chaos  that's if we stand together
    Now I have this in my head...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auCDOERZyE

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    You need to understand and accept one thing: You are going to pay. You will have no choice. Unless you are willing to ride / drive arounbd with a vehicle licence that has not been renewed, you will have no choice.

    The best you can do is to frustrate their collection process. But when the time comes to renew your vehicle licence/s or driver's licence, you will not be allowed to if you have outstanding toll charges. The collection systems will be linked.

    The best you can do, and what I propose doing, is to:
    - not get an e-tag
    - query every toll charge and demand photographic evidence to substantiate the charge

    However, they will catch up with you at renewal time.

    It doesn't matter where you registered your vehicle, because the eNATiS system is a national one. This is not like speeding fines from the Karoo. The authority does not have to come and find you. You have to renew licences and for that you have to go to the authority.

    So give up on this fantasy of "I will not pay". You will pay. Unless your vehicle registered in another country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buelligan View Post
    They cannot. FACT. Just verified it
    That would be avery impressive photo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buelligan View Post
    They cannot. FACT. Just verified it
    You are wrong. Besides which, the cameras shoot from the front and the back, so not even the old trick of just one numberplate on the car will work.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro View Post
    That would be avery impressive photo!
    It is. The technology is impressive. And it has been done before. A mate of mine took off his car's front numberplate and sped through Limpopo. And showed me the pic of his BMW 320d's VIN number underneath the windscreen a couple of weeks later.
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