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    Any time Ares, and a belated welcome to the forum.

    That's not a bad site. You can also try www.bikez.com, although they tend to have mostly US-spec stuff there. There can be slight differences from SA models at times.
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    Buying a 2nd hand bike the 2xP way:
    Does it start? - If Yes, then move to next step. If no, then move to next step anyway.
    Do I/we need it? - If Yes, then move to next step. If no, then move to next step anyway.
    Do I/we have the money? - If yes, then move to next step. If no, then throw a tantrum.
    Do I/we want it? - DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (move on swiftly).
    DONE DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (All respect to Master BanditYoda for a truly great bit o writin anyway)

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    Very useful thread! As far as 400cc bikes are concerned, which models do NOT have problems with parts availability? From an earlier comment in this thread, it would seem that the CBR400 would be a problem as far as spares concerned?

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    Hi

    Take it from a former 400cc owner.... STAY AWAY ....

    The bottom line they are all imported ... Parts are hard to find ... and they will cost you ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slingshot 400 View Post
    Hi

    Take it from a former 400cc owner.... STAY AWAY ....

    The bottom line they are all imported ... Parts are hard to find ... and they will cost you ...
    I spoke to a few people at bike shops the weekend and they basically told me the same thing. The advice was to go for a 250 and then eventually jump to a 600 or 650. Im sure that'll be the right thing to do.

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    Truly valuable advice, wish I had known when I bought my first 2 bikes

    Though you cant even trust the dealers nowadays
    Life on 2 wheels is so much better

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    Ok some quick noob questions.

    Is there a specific place that is considered best for financing a bike (2006 - 2009 model)?

    Can you finance a bike over 4-5 years as you would a car?

    What would you estimate insurance to be for a new rider with only a learners (R40 000 bike) - I would go through my broker who can beat nearly all quotes.

    Thanks,

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    You can finance a bike, some say wesbank has a nice facility some say FNB has a decent one

    I went straight through bikefin.

    Insurance on my big boy which cost 15000 costs me 89pm. but high excess. Im sure you could pay between 120 and 200 for a bike of 40k
    Life on 2 wheels is so much better

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJTillDeath View Post
    You can finance a bike, some say wesbank has a nice facility some say FNB has a decent one

    I went straight through bikefin.

    Insurance on my big boy which cost 15000 costs me 89pm. but high excess. Im sure you could pay between 120 and 200 for a bike of 40k
    My broker said R189 for a bike of R35k bike.

    It doesnt seem that expensive to own a reasonably priced bike (R35k-R50k). I would probably look at repayments of R1300 a month including insurance. My only other concern is what does it cost to service them?

    Brake pads, clutch, filters, suspension etc. Is it comparable with a car?

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    Well it depends on what bike and what size it is.

    Chinese stuff is quite cheap but service intervals are close inbetween.
    My initial service on my 200 was 350
    Every service after is gonna cost me 600.

    My suzuki 125 cost me 400 and it was its first service since I had it in 15000km.

    I think certain kawasaki parts are a bit expensive same with honda. yamaha is too but a little cheaper.

    All in all 1300 sounds alright - for the right bike
    Life on 2 wheels is so much better

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    Another noob question, on a 250cc or 600cc commuter bike, when is mileage concidered as high??

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    @ RandomGRK - Servicing on bikes can get fairly pricy, especially from 600cc up in capacity. I don't knnow what Gauteng's like these days, but down in this part of the world workshop labour rates run between R28500 - R300.00 per hour. The more plastic fairings you have to dismantle, the longer it takes and the pricier it gets. Spares prices can also get a bit ridiculous. Yamaha's ironically often better in the spares dept despite being pricier on the showroom floor. As much as I love them, there are times I wonder if I've called a Ducati spares dept. instead of Suzuki (e.g. R120.00 per bolt for tappet cover bolts on my Bandit 1200. Roughly R60.00 per bolt for the same thing in stainless steel from a specialist supplier overseas).

    @ Sierra - I'd say the answer depends on whether you want to keep the bike as a hack (donkey for commuting) until it dies of old age, or whether you're going to want to trade in and trade up at some point. Modern bikes will cover very high milages if well looked after. Take Des Pistorius's Gold Wing for example. One owner and over a million kilometers covered so far. As long as you keep things correctly adjusted and lubed, the bike serviced with decent quality parts, and replace things like gaskets and bearings at scheduled intervals it'll go much uarther than you think.

    So if you really adore the bike you have and it's all you'll ever want, keep it and look after it. If you're happy with your little 250 commuter bike then why waste money trading up to the newer model: it's basic transport and no more. If you're going to trade in or sell the bike then the magic number for many seems to be around 35000-45000km; beyond that and people seem to think the milage is getting high.
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    Howsit Banditman,
    i have not read such a well put together and comphensive article on a giude to buying a second hand bike. i have read it about 6 times now and disected it to assist me with my notes on my selesction criteria. Well done - this will make some bike mag journalists green with envy. Bravo

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    Hi Bruster, and welcome to the forum.

    Thanks for the vote of confidence and I'm glad it's been a help.
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    What's the deal when buying a second hand bike that's currently financed?

    The bank technically owns the bike, so how does the transfer process work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro View Post
    What's the deal when buying a second hand bike that's currently financed?

    The bank technically owns the bike, so how does the transfer process work?
    Basically you pay his bank the settlement value and if there is a difference with the asking price you pay him the dif.
    You then own the bike.

    If you are also financing same process however your finance bank might pay his bank directly or just give you the money to Pay him. Something along those lines

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    Quote Originally Posted by brukutu View Post
    Basically you pay his bank the settlement value and if there is a difference with the asking price you pay him the dif.
    You then own the bike.

    If you are also financing same process however your finance bank might pay his bank directly or just give you the money to Pay him. Something along those lines

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    Seems there's 3 options for the financial part of the transaction.
    - Take over loan
    - Tranfer loan to your bank
    - Settle loan, pay seller (or buyer) the difference.

    On the deed transfer through: Do you still go to the DOT to do a transfer? Or does the bank effectively handle that?
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    How do you check if there is outstanding finance on a bike?
    And while I'm at it, how do I check if it is stolen? And an insurance write off?

    Great thread BTW

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    Ping Banditman... Can you do an Update / Refresh on this topic with things learnt / changed over the past couple of years?

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    Sorry I know this is an old thread, but still very much relevant. Thanks for this amazing info banditman. I'm looking at buying a secondhand CBR600F or CBR600RR. Probably secondhand, as I don't want to go higher than R60k.

    So this advice will come in handy!

    Thanks again.

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